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	<title>Comments on: Projects and Companies with Non-Trivial Consequences</title>
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		<title>By: PM Hut</title>
		<link>http://socialmode.com/2008/07/08/projects-and-companies-with-non-trivial-consequeces/#comment-312</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately I don&#039;t have the luxury of selecting projects (maybe some PMs out there has the luxury of refusing projects and/or selecting projects).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately I don&#8217;t have the luxury of selecting projects (maybe some PMs out there has the luxury of refusing projects and/or selecting projects).</p>
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		<title>By: un1crom</title>
		<link>http://socialmode.com/2008/07/08/projects-and-companies-with-non-trivial-consequeces/#comment-310</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How to generalize?  Good question.

I did attempt to state it was mostly relative to me and it was my personal exploration.

However, I do propose there are general concepts at play in this exploration.

Trivial, though used relatively here, probably has some level of degree for each person - trivial is what is &quot;easy&quot;, &quot;without consequence&quot;, &quot;not valued&quot;,&quot;not impactful&quot;.  Those aspects are, of course, relative to the person.  

Is there an absolute measure of triviality? No.  Is &quot;trivial&quot; a general concept. yes.

Richness, that I can not make a general case for.  I should perhaps state my Get Rich as Succeed without Effort or something to that effect.  This too is has a relative scale, but there&#039;s something general about &quot;getting ahead&quot; without expending much of ones own energy.

In some sense I&#039;m trying to get at STRUGGLE as a general function.  The tugs of changing values, of success and failure, of leaving trusted methods behind... and so forth.  Exhausting all possibilities - moving into uncomfortable situations to grow, learn.  Those are my struggles, maybe not yours, but you do have struggles.  Struggle fuels learning and vice versa.  Struggle enhances selection by consequences (perhaps helps it work faster)....

I don&#039;t know.  Riff on that and see what comes out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to generalize?  Good question.</p>
<p>I did attempt to state it was mostly relative to me and it was my personal exploration.</p>
<p>However, I do propose there are general concepts at play in this exploration.</p>
<p>Trivial, though used relatively here, probably has some level of degree for each person &#8211; trivial is what is &#8220;easy&#8221;, &#8220;without consequence&#8221;, &#8220;not valued&#8221;,&#8221;not impactful&#8221;.  Those aspects are, of course, relative to the person.  </p>
<p>Is there an absolute measure of triviality? No.  Is &#8220;trivial&#8221; a general concept. yes.</p>
<p>Richness, that I can not make a general case for.  I should perhaps state my Get Rich as Succeed without Effort or something to that effect.  This too is has a relative scale, but there&#8217;s something general about &#8220;getting ahead&#8221; without expending much of ones own energy.</p>
<p>In some sense I&#8217;m trying to get at STRUGGLE as a general function.  The tugs of changing values, of success and failure, of leaving trusted methods behind&#8230; and so forth.  Exhausting all possibilities &#8211; moving into uncomfortable situations to grow, learn.  Those are my struggles, maybe not yours, but you do have struggles.  Struggle fuels learning and vice versa.  Struggle enhances selection by consequences (perhaps helps it work faster)&#8230;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know.  Riff on that and see what comes out.</p>
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		<title>By: J Bryant</title>
		<link>http://socialmode.com/2008/07/08/projects-and-companies-with-non-trivial-consequeces/#comment-309</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This review is a classic ‘stream of consciousness’ example of what is going on for a person on the edge… certainly a good edge.  The writer wants to contribute in big ways and is just coming to frame what that means.  This is the process…the process that Charles Dickens and Charles Darwin went through as did Willie Loman.  Willie Nelson did it as well and found his voice and his ladder toward non-triviality by eschewing the pundits and perfecting his vision constantly refined and defined through weed and alcohol just as Gonzo (Dr. Hunter S. Thompson) executed his visions.  So much for methods…  

Consider the following…
****[I want to attack the idea of “homeruns” in business head on. …  I conjecture most pursuits of the business homerun fail because the Get Rich outcome is trivial.  It is trivial to Get Rich in method and outcome.  Where does fortune alone lead?  If I had a big bag of money, what would I do with it?  Methods of just getting rich are tried and true - sell sex, invest in stocks, drugs, organized crime, arbitrage (fuel, clicks, tickets), corporate ladder hopping and variations on those themes.  Many people engage in these things - usually without knowing how trivial it is.  This is not for me.]  

This blog entry is an attempt to hit just such a &quot;homerun&quot;. There is a lack of generalization to others based assumptions that are subjective, i.e., what is *trivial* and what isn’t trivial…as in “It is trivial to Get Rich in method and outcome.”  All descriptive properties mentioned are subjective; what is ‘rich,’ what is ‘trivial’ and what has ‘value’ which complicates transfer for some.  While the interrogatives that follow that statement (above) are common and mettlesome, they are not everyone’s issue and, again, depend on what each reader has learned to ‘value.’ 

But the spark here can’t be denied.  What we read here is writing and publicizing what is of value to you in the context of what you provide... now and presumably in the future.  

That is something that is not reinforced in life, business, work, sports, etc. which is more complex for the person doing it than can be stated here.  Its complexity, in short, is what keeps the rest of us from stating what it is we value (and not) and revising it on a regular basis that approaches the frequency we consider our 401K donations. To leave it at the ending cascading challenge is pivotal…

****[Defining and refining the project selection strategy is non-trivial and this is not my final effort.   The methods are trivial - write it down, test it, edit, test, repeat. (oh, and don’t go broke while testing project selection / creation strategies!)]

At some point we&#039;ll have framed what it is that we value; we’ll lose count a million tests later and hopefully look around and discover the complexity and the methods led to just the right consequences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This review is a classic ‘stream of consciousness’ example of what is going on for a person on the edge… certainly a good edge.  The writer wants to contribute in big ways and is just coming to frame what that means.  This is the process…the process that Charles Dickens and Charles Darwin went through as did Willie Loman.  Willie Nelson did it as well and found his voice and his ladder toward non-triviality by eschewing the pundits and perfecting his vision constantly refined and defined through weed and alcohol just as Gonzo (Dr. Hunter S. Thompson) executed his visions.  So much for methods…  </p>
<p>Consider the following…<br />
****[I want to attack the idea of “homeruns” in business head on. …  I conjecture most pursuits of the business homerun fail because the Get Rich outcome is trivial.  It is trivial to Get Rich in method and outcome.  Where does fortune alone lead?  If I had a big bag of money, what would I do with it?  Methods of just getting rich are tried and true - sell sex, invest in stocks, drugs, organized crime, arbitrage (fuel, clicks, tickets), corporate ladder hopping and variations on those themes.  Many people engage in these things - usually without knowing how trivial it is.  This is not for me.]  </p>
<p>This blog entry is an attempt to hit just such a &#8220;homerun&#8221;. There is a lack of generalization to others based assumptions that are subjective, i.e., what is *trivial* and what isn’t trivial…as in “It is trivial to Get Rich in method and outcome.”  All descriptive properties mentioned are subjective; what is ‘rich,’ what is ‘trivial’ and what has ‘value’ which complicates transfer for some.  While the interrogatives that follow that statement (above) are common and mettlesome, they are not everyone’s issue and, again, depend on what each reader has learned to ‘value.’ </p>
<p>But the spark here can’t be denied.  What we read here is writing and publicizing what is of value to you in the context of what you provide&#8230; now and presumably in the future.  </p>
<p>That is something that is not reinforced in life, business, work, sports, etc. which is more complex for the person doing it than can be stated here.  Its complexity, in short, is what keeps the rest of us from stating what it is we value (and not) and revising it on a regular basis that approaches the frequency we consider our 401K donations. To leave it at the ending cascading challenge is pivotal…</p>
<p>****[Defining and refining the project selection strategy is non-trivial and this is not my final effort.   The methods are trivial - write it down, test it, edit, test, repeat. (oh, and don’t go broke while testing project selection / creation strategies!)]</p>
<p>At some point we&#8217;ll have framed what it is that we value; we’ll lose count a million tests later and hopefully look around and discover the complexity and the methods led to just the right consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: un1crom</title>
		<link>http://socialmode.com/2008/07/08/projects-and-companies-with-non-trivial-consequeces/#comment-307</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PM Hut,

Thanks for the reply.  

Yes, you are right in a sense about my inconsistent.  That&#039;s some of my point.  A known outcome IS trivial.  Unknown outcomes are sometimes non-trivial, and thus they have risk.  I am not drawn to risk, I am drawn to the unknown (potentially non trivial!)

Yes, you are also right that trivial outcomes are centric to almost every business and PM.  Most businesses are trivial.  

I make no judgment on &#039;goodness&#039; or &#039;badness&#039;.

How do you select projects? employers?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PM Hut,</p>
<p>Thanks for the reply.  </p>
<p>Yes, you are right in a sense about my inconsistent.  That&#8217;s some of my point.  A known outcome IS trivial.  Unknown outcomes are sometimes non-trivial, and thus they have risk.  I am not drawn to risk, I am drawn to the unknown (potentially non trivial!)</p>
<p>Yes, you are also right that trivial outcomes are centric to almost every business and PM.  Most businesses are trivial.  </p>
<p>I make no judgment on &#8216;goodness&#8217; or &#8216;badness&#8217;.</p>
<p>How do you select projects? employers?</p>
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		<title>By: PM Hut</title>
		<link>http://socialmode.com/2008/07/08/projects-and-companies-with-non-trivial-consequeces/#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PM Hut]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What you are describing in the non-trivial scenarios is Risk. I think also the way you describe trivial and non-trivial projects is a bit inconsistent, you&#039;re describing trivial projects by the outcome, while non-trivial by the risk. Additionally, some of your trivial outcomes are centric to almost every business and project manager: money &amp; fame &amp; career move. Then again, I might have misunderstood some of your points. Nice read!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you are describing in the non-trivial scenarios is Risk. I think also the way you describe trivial and non-trivial projects is a bit inconsistent, you&#8217;re describing trivial projects by the outcome, while non-trivial by the risk. Additionally, some of your trivial outcomes are centric to almost every business and project manager: money &amp; fame &amp; career move. Then again, I might have misunderstood some of your points. Nice read!</p>
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